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July 7, 2009

Agreeing to disagree

Filed under: judaism, liberal judaism, me, orthodox — Tags: , , , , , , , — rachel @ 3:05 pm

Hmmm.  The other day, I got ‘called’ for my approach to Judaism.  Why bother converting Liberal, when you can convert Orthodox and be accepted around the world as a proper Jew?  Why put your children through difficulties in the future when they find they won’t be accepted in a school because they and their mother are not halachically Jewish? Why? Why? Why?

Unsurprisingly, this put me on the defensive.  First of all, the assumption about my family life (a woman without children isn’t natural).  Well, there are many, many reasons to not have children.  Why they don’t make an appearance in my family unit isn’t for public knowledge, unless I choose it to be so.  And following from that, the assumption that I would automatically choose  to put any children of mine in a Jewish school.  There’s nothing wrong with Jewish schools, but there is a whole other world out there and many other good schools to choose from.  Anyway, that bit is really irrelevant, since there are no little Rachels to have to make the decision about.

The issue of ‘why bother’ has really made me pause for thought.  I do sort of see the point.  There are aspects of Liberal Judaism that are not necessarily how I do my Judaism.  But then, surely that’s healthy?  Just blindly following and agreeing with everything my chosen movement does – that wouldn’t really say too much about me as an alive, questioning individual, would it?  If I am going to go through the effort of conversion though (and contrary to some thoughts, converting Liberal isn’t ‘easy’), why not do it in a manner that will be accepted universally? (Here I would just like to say that from what I have read recently, this universal acceptance of an Orthodox conversion isn’t necessarily true, anyway).

Well, perhaps it is time I stood up for my approach to becoming a Jew.  Why not?  I will get asked, yet again, when I stand in front of the Rabbinic Board, what I am doing there and they will be trying to ascertain my sincerity.  Fair enough.  Perhaps I should preface what I am about to write with this – I am not saying my way is the right way, it is just right for me, and right for me, right now.  Anyone else is free to choose their path, Jewish or otherwise – and I utterly and sincerely respect the choice that has been made. 

Liberal Judaism (LJ) allows me to convert whilst not insisting that my BH do the same, although LJ does insist on meeting my BH to make sure that there is going to be a supportive home environment that will allow and encourage me to develop as a Jew.  At the same time though, the onus is on me to push that development forwards, to follow Shabbat rituals, to say blessings, prayers, have mezuzot, candles, a chanukiyah, Torah, Talmud etc so that anyone walking into my home will know that it is a Jewish home.  My BH is welcome to attend shul, classes etc, or not.  There is no pressure, but at the same time, the door is always figuratively open.

If I were to consider Orthodoxy, there would be a significant problem.  I could no longer live with my BH, who has been with me through good and bad times, for a very long time.  Our relationship is up there on equal footing with being Jewish.  Take either away from me, and my heart is torn in two.  Both sustain me in different, yet complementary ways.  Alternatively, my BH would be forced into a position of conversion – how can that be right?  And this is not even touching the issue of who my BH is.  Safe to say, we would never be accepted together, as a couple, in any kind of Orthodox environment. 

LJ is inclusive of all people.  Those who keep kosher, those who don’t.  Families, single people.  Gay, straight, transgender.  Those who have two Jewish parents, those who have only one (irrespective of maternal versus paternal lineage).  Those who attend all services, those who attend maybe only one a year, or none.  Men who wear kippot and tallitot, men who don’t.  Women who do (or don’t do) the same.  Women who lay tefillin, women who don’t even know what they are.  Converts of all kind and those who attend, but never convert. I think it is safe to say that we are a very diverse group of people, all tied together by our Judaism, in whatever manner we practice it.  Oh yes, and we have female rabbis who complement the men nicely, in my opinion. 

Orthodoxy – well I know (because I ask questions and read a lot) that there is room for manouevre within its auspices.  It is not totally rigid and dogmatic.  There are things about it that attract me, I would be lying if I didn’t state that this is the case.  For example, I like the approach to tznius, although I fail to see how I could do my sport of choice (which I am passionate about!) even half way effectively in a below the knee length skirt! I also think my personal hygiene would leave a lot to be desired in the recent hot temperatures we have been experiencing if I opted for long sleeved tops!  On a different note, the commitment to prayers and blessings throughout the day also speaks to me spiritually. Taking time to speak to G-d directly, reconnecting with my faith in the secular world of work is a welcome pause that I have really come to treasure.  In a strange way, living in a community where everyone lives in the same broad way also attracts me.  There would be no explaining necessary, would there?  Less juggling of two parts of my life would certainly be an easier prospect.

However, reality is out there.  Deny it all we might, but 21st century life is not built to cope with akward faiths that like to shut up shop on a Friday afternoon/evening for a whole day.  I work.  I have a home to run with my BH.  Changing my routine was very hard at the beginning, but now it works, but there still have to be compromises. 

No matter how much I could wander off into an idealised world regarding the attractive side of Orthodoxy, I know that in my heart of hearts, it would be too restrictive a life for me.  I have read many articles and heard many things explaining how the role of women on Orthodoxy isn’t repressive, and that there are valid reasons why women don’t do certain things that men do, they create the spirit of the home, teach the children, they don’t need to perform so many mitzvot because of their nature, and so on.  They can be very persuasive indeed – Chabad, for example, have a great marketing machine relating to the women’s role (and that’s how it can come across, altough I do find it a useful resource).  But still, that mechitsa does bother me – and it always did.  And then there are the issues of kippah, tallit and tefillin.  There is no issue in LJ about whether it is appropriate for women to wear/use any or all of these, whereas of course, they are discussed at length in Orthodoxy (or rather, not discussed at all, because there is nothing to discuss).  I think it would be a very brave woman indeed who appeared at shul in a kippah and tallit and decided that she would lay tefillin at home.  And as for a female rabbi – well…

Why do I mention these outward symbols of faith specifically?  Why the issue of female rabbis?  Of course, it’s a personal thing.  I don’t yet own and therefore don’t use a tallit or lay tefillin - I can’t, apparently, because I am not yet Jewish (although I do beg to differ there – I can’t use them because using them involves saying a blessing that states that I have been commanded to do so – I can’t have been commanded because I am not yet Jewish.  I know for a fact that I recite other blessings regularly at the instigation of the rabbi that involve the phrase ‘who commanded us’, so what is the difference?).  Anyway, I fully intend to use both, once I am Jewish.  It’s not because I want to be like a man, want to have everything that a man has and think it is my right, as a protest for feminism.  It’s a spiritual thing.  Every Shabbat, I see one member of our congregation put on his tallit – he says the blessing, kisses the atarah and then puts it on.  I almost feel like I am intruding when I watch this – it is such a personal and spiritual thing to do – dividing the day into a ‘before’ and ‘after’.  I see the tallit as a symbol for wrapping myself in G-d’s presence and can totally understand the extra layer of closeness that many say that it brings.  Ditto for teffilin

Ah yes, and female rabbis.  Sometimes, there are things that only a woman can discuss with a woman, no matter how wonderful the male in question.  I have a good mix of male and female friends and I know that it is very unlikely that I will treat them all the same.  It’s just not possible – so I think female rabbis are a bonus to the community.  I also know that somehow, I want to contribute to the future of Judaism in the years ahead – the fact that this opportunity is open to me if it is right for me (and my BH) is a wonderful prospect.  I can’t imagine an environment in Orthodoxy where that is the case.

I have been pondering a great deal lately.  My eyes have opened to many things.  As I wrote right near the beginning of this post, there are things about LJ that I am not necessarily 100% happy about.  But the movement allows me choice in almost any area, which in turn means that I can follow my own path without fearing that I am falling foul of any rules or regulations.  It is quite probable that I will fall within the definition of being more observant than others – to me it’s an important way to connect to my lost heritage – but this doesn’t, in my eyes, make me a better Jew.  It just makes me who I am, and their level of observance makes my Jewish friends who they are.  There’s plenty of room for us all.

26 Comments »

  1. Great post. Personally I prefer the Masorti/Conservative movement as there is a greater emphasis on mitzvot and tradition, both being important to me. To my mind kashrut, kippot for men, teffilin etc are not options but commandments. Which does not mean that those who don’t respect these mitzvot should be rejected.
    From what I understand, this movement is more traditional in Europe and Israel than in the USA. In addition I have issues with patrilineal descent.
    However if I lived in the US I guess I would attend an MO shul.
    To finish, for the moment at least, I disagree with you when you say that tallit and teffilin are not discussed in Orthodox circles. Check JOFA’s website or this Israeli website: http://www.kolech.com/blog.asp

    Comment by ilanadavita — July 7, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

    • Hi Ilana Davita – thank you for such a long and considered comment! Taking your last point first, I did say that tallit and tefillin are either discussed at length or not at all – but I will definitely take a look at the link because I am always interested in other approaches to Judaism!

      I agree with you about Judaism being approached more traditionally in Europe than in the US – that’s the impression I get too. In my home town, the Reform shul is very right wing compared to what it used to be under the previous Rabbi, which is a shame, because I think that despite some areas, I would have fitted more naturally there. However, our rabbi is very keen on mitzvot herself, so I don’t feel as if I have missed out in that area. There is also a good core of more observant people in the congregation – guess where I’ll be headed?!

      Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 6:47 am

  2. Excellent post. Bravo to you for writing it!

    Comment by jewwishes — July 8, 2009 @ 1:22 am

    • Thank you, Lorri. Sometimes it’s good to get things off your chest!

      Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 6:48 am

  3. This is a very honest post, which is a very brave thing to do.

    I feel that all your reasons are about you, which is of course of great concern and importance. However, the Torah was given by G-d and the Jew’s responsibility is to Him first and themselves second. A modern approach to anything is fine and yet if it is saying that Torah (written or oral) needs updating, then this is where the problem lies.

    Of course, you have been asked about your children’s future…it is a biblical commandment to have children. If one cannot have children this is very sad, but if this is not known to others, it would not stop someone from giving you this as a fundamental point to consider.

    It is a wonderful idea to have such things as the Talmud in your home, to show it is a Jewish home, but the Talmud details laws, which you do not agree with. The Talmud discusses Jew and Non Jew living together in “marriage”, the Talmud discusses the requirements of a mechitza and many more.

    Being Jewish isn’t keeping a goyish consciousness and outlook on life and eating falafel and lighting a menorah.

    The great thing is you know that HaShem is G-d, but this does not mean you have to serve him as a Jew. You can serve him righteously and correctly as a bnai noach.

    Comment by considerations — July 8, 2009 @ 11:28 am

    • Thank you for taking the time to write such a long comment – I do appreciate it. Of course, I am in the process of learning and I sense that you are way ahead of me in the knowledge department, which I respect.

      However, I do feel a little bit patronised (and I apologise if that’s not what you meant by your comments). For example, I am not having the Talmud or books about the Talmud in my home just to make it ‘look Jewish’ – it is truly because I want to learn what my family traditions and beliefs were before it split in two, for me to gain a deeper understanding and see how it resonates with me. My connection with the Jewish part of my family runs very deep, but I am looking at it through the lens of the 21st century – it’s not possible for me to do otherwise.

      I also appreciate that being Jewish isn’t keeping a goyish consciousness and outlook on life, eating falafel and lighting a menorah. I am not just taking the ‘easy’ bits or ‘nice’ bits, that is for sure. (As an aside, what is this obssession with falafel? You are the second person to bring this up with me recently!).

      To your last point, I do have to be a Jew. For me, nothing else would feel ‘right’ and that is something that comes from within. I accept that my way is never going to meet with your expectations of how a Jew should live – but there should be room for us all within the spectrum of Judaism.

      Finally, thanks once again for responding. I knew what I posted would potentially create some waves – but I don’t regret doing it.

      Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 12:30 pm

      • I didn’t mean you would have the Talmud just for the look, I just meant it would be a set of books which a lot of things you won’t agree with….

        I think the obsession is that falafel isn’t really “Jewish” but people see it as cultural thing… its the butt of many jokes

        If you feel so strongly inside you want to be Jewish, are you not interested to learn what that has meant for thousands of years as opposed to something which developed in the 19th century? Mitzvot are commandments not suggestions – a gair must take on the yoke of the torah – if that doesn’t include the commandments, how can they be a gair?

        Comment by considerations — July 8, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

        • I own many, many books that I don’t always agree with. I still learn something from them, typically more than I learn from books I agree with.

          On another note, I just stumbled upon this post while looking for something else. Rachel, I wonder if you have seen the following article:

          http://www.jewishideas.org/min-hamuvhar/conversion-judaism-halakha-hashkafa-and-histori

          It’s by an Orthodox rabbi and is highly critical of standards for conversion in Orthodoxy. I recognize that this isn’t necessarily a mainstream view, but it cites some interesting Talmudic sources. In particular, it argues that a convert is still a Jew, even if he/she does not observe all mitzvot. He/she may be an apostate Jew, but still a Jew. Anyways, I thought you might also find it interesting.

          Comment by Jamie — September 22, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

          • Hi Jamie – thank you for your comment and the link – very interesting! I’ve been on the website before, but not seen that article.

            Comment by rachel — September 23, 2009 @ 9:03 am

  4. Many ortho conversions are globally accepted, london beth din is example… some are questionable and probably easier to complete. London BD is between 1.5 and 5 years.

    Comment by London — July 8, 2009 @ 11:44 am

    • Thank you – it’s always good to get new information! I do know that the London BD conversion is globally accepted, but not that it could take as little as 1.5 years!

      Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

      • I think 1.5 yrs is for very impressive candidates, and 2 -3 yrs is common. but i even once heard of 6 months, although I think he was raised orthodox only to find his mother or grandmother was not a real gair and then had to convert

        good luck

        Comment by london — July 8, 2009 @ 12:51 pm

  5. BS”D

    Wow such a post. Can’t wait for you to read the books :-)

    “I feel that all your reasons are about you, which is of course of great concern and importance. However, the Torah was given by G-d and the Jew’s responsibility is to Him first and themselves second.” from considerations

    and this

    “However, reality is out there. Deny it all we might, but 21st century life is not built to cope with akward faiths that like to shut up shop on a Friday afternoon/evening for a whole day. I work. I have a home to run…” from rachel

    These two do scream out to me a little bit…. maybe we have to change our lives a little bit for the big G?!!?! I would feel confident to say He knew what would happen in 21st Century when the melochos were forbidden on Shabbes…?

    Just a thought….

    Don’t be disheartned or defensive because of questions or being in Jewish company could prove very difficult! Never met a Jew to this day who doesn’t have 100 questions whether your FFB, a true gair, a non orthodox gair, a chusid or a MO! “What’s your name? And your family name? Oh where are you from? Where do you live? And before that? Oooh I think I know your sisters auntys friends cousans dog who lives in Peru” – lol

    Keep going Rachel!

    Comment by yehoshua — July 8, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

    • I wondered if you might have some comments!

      Yes, I take your point. But I would also like to point out my Jewish ‘L’ plates ;) … if I compare where I am now with where I was a year ago, well, there is no comparision. Since ‘the big G’ is omniscient, I am sure the 21st century isn’t a surprise to him, as you say. One step at a time though – that’s my approach. Trying to do it all in one go (and that is my usual modus operandi, it has to be said) is going to get me nowhere but frustrated!

      As for the questions, questions, questions – I know this! It was a bit of a shock at first and sometimes still is, when I’m not quite 100%. I try to see it as people wanting to connect, rather than falling back to the typically English way of being ever so slightly standoffish. And then get to questioning people myself (for goodness sake, I do that as part of my job without worrying about it, so it shouldn’t be that hard!).

      I love the Peru thing – if only I did have such a connection!

      Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

      • To be honest I think it’s people being nosey lol AND wanting to make a connection :D

        One-step at a time ALWAYS! Otherwise, you become a good Jew for a week and a treacherous sinner for life (I presume you know my sense of humour by now). However…just acknowledging that increased observance is always the goal and standing still is not, is necessary also, I believe.

        You know what I think anyway…hisboidedus everyday to HaShem that we be lead to the right path and guided by him always….then being open to the fact that what is right, might not be what WE think it is… for me personally, this is the way forward.

        Toras Emes! :D

        P.S. enjoy your new orthodox (;)) siddurim! :D

        Comment by yehoshua — July 8, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

  6. Oh sorry! a PS about the reality thing… WHATS REALITY – the goyish world or torah?!? Isn’t the world the “matrix” or “Illusion” and Torah reality?? Just food for thought, not critisicm (which i can’t spell – blame those Jewish schools :D JOKE!)

    GREAT POST!!! BRAVO!

    Kol Tuv

    Comment by yehoshua — July 8, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

    • Alright already ;) ….

      Ouch – you’ve made my brain hurt with that reality/matrix/illusion issue. I need to lie down. it’s like trying to imagine what infinity looks like.

      And thank you :)

      Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

      • This also burnt my brain. Imagine – the whole world is illusion, every interaction, every emotion is just a test, do our reaction bring us closer to the Riboinoi shel oilam or take us away. This means only our reaction to what happens is real. The person who makes you angry is not the enemy, your reaction is. And mitzvos bring us closer to HaShem, proximity to HaShem gives us a better view of the matrix to continue becoming a better version of ourselves.

        obviously this is not a standard way of thinking, I learnt it through the Kabbalah of Rav Yehuda Ashlag… http://www.nehora.com/index.cfm/category/107/rabbi-yehuda-ashlag-hasulam.cfm

        …however it does apply – what is reality, the commandment to keep Shabbes, or the boss that wants us in the office… is it a test of faith, or is the boss more powerful than HaShem, or is the money we would earn more important that HaShem?

        Obviously I am not saying that’s your thought pattern! Just throwing it out there!

        Ok end of comments or we will block the wordpress server! lol

        Comment by yehoshua — July 8, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

  7. Considerations – yes, I am definitely, definitely interested. My post is all about how I feel now, having learned what I have learned up this point in time. In another year, I will know more and may feel differently about some things, or the same. I am excited to find out what lies in store for me.

    Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 1:00 pm

  8. London – thank you. A bit of luck always helps.

    Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

  9. Yehoshua – you have a great sense of humour – I love it :)

    “You know what I think anyway…hisboidedus everyday to HaShem that we be lead to the right path and guided by him always….then being open to the fact that what is right, might not be what WE think it is… for me personally, this is the way forward.”

    How can someone so young be so wise..? I agree with that sentiment exactly.

    Oh – and the siddurim are wonderful.

    אַ שיינעם דאַנק

    Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 1:05 pm

  10. PS. Thank you for the link and making me think (unintended rhyme). Yes, let’s allow the server a break…

    Comment by rachel — July 8, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

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  12. Some people mistake minhagim for Halacha. It is important to be able to distinguish between the two as it makes a significant difference in your life as a Jew.

    Comment by Jack — July 10, 2009 @ 8:00 pm


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